Legislature(2013 - 2014)BARNES 124

03/26/2014 03:15 PM House LABOR & COMMERCE


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* first hearing in first committee of referral
+ teleconferenced
= bill was previously heard/scheduled
+= HB 370 AWCB CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE PRESCRIPTIONS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+= HB 281 PRESCRIPTION WITHOUT PHYSICAL EXAMINATION TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
*+ HB 336 ALCOHOL SALES NEAR SCHOOL/CHURCH TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
+ Bills Previously Heard/Scheduled TELECONFERENCED
+= HB 316 WORKERS' COMPENSATION MEDICAL FEES TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHB 316(L&C) Out of Committee
                                                                                                                                
        HB 281-PRESCRIPTION WITHOUT PHYSICAL EXAMINATION                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:02:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON  announced that the  next order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 281, "An Act  relating to prescription of drugs by                                                               
a  physician   without  a  physical  examination."   [Before  the                                                               
committee was CSHB 281(HSS)].                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:02:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  GATTIS,  Alaska State  Legislature,  stated                                                               
that  HB  281 clarifies  in  statute  that physicians  cannot  be                                                               
sanctioned   for   dispensing   or   administering   prescription                                                               
medications without conducting a physical  exam of the patient if                                                               
some   basic  stipulations   are   met  in   a  practice   called                                                               
telemedicine.  Under  HB 281, care would be  delivered by primary                                                               
care physicians  licensed in Alaska,  and patients would  be able                                                               
to  obtain  over the  phone  or  on-line consultations  in  which                                                               
physicians can  diagnose an ailment  and if  necessary, prescribe                                                               
prescription  medicine; however,  physicians could  not prescribe                                                               
controlled  substances.   At  the  last  hearing, a  concern  was                                                               
raised about overprescribing.  She  reported that her information                                                               
shows  that  the national  average  prescribing  rate for  common                                                               
uncomplicated diagnoses is  82 percent in the  "brick and mortar"                                                               
setting, and 77 percent in  the telehealth setting, per Teladoc's                                                               
156,000  consultations.   The  efficient  quality  of the  system                                                               
comes down  to cost and  access for  the average citizen.   These                                                               
practices can  have favorable impacts  because of access  to care                                                               
for individuals living in rural and urban settings.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:04:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON reported  that his office received  concerns from the                                                               
Department of  Corrections (DOC).   He anticipated  a forthcoming                                                               
amendment that will be considered at a later hearing.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
LAURA   BROOKS,  Health   Care  Administrator,   Office  of   the                                                               
Commissioner, Department of Corrections, introduced herself.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:05:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The  committee took  an at-ease  from 4:05  to 4:21  p.m. due  to                                                               
audio issues.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:21:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
ROBERT LAWRENCE,  Doctor; Chief  Medical Officer;  Inmate Health,                                                               
Department  of  Corrections,  with   respect  to  DOC,  discussed                                                               
different forms of  telemedicine.  One type  of telemedicine that                                                               
has  been practiced  in the  state involves  provider-to-provider                                                               
communications, in which a nurse  contacts a physician and orders                                                               
are  given over  the phone  or via  Internet.   A second  type of                                                               
telemedicine   involves  direct   patient  to   medical  provider                                                               
communication,  specifically when  a  patient  has a  preexisting                                                               
relationship with  the provider; however, this  bill introduces a                                                               
new form  of telemedicine  to the  state, in  which a  patient is                                                               
allowed  to   contact  a  medical   provider  without   having  a                                                               
preexisting doctor-to-patient relationship.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DR. LAWRENCE said DOC's concern  is that the HB 281 inadvertently                                                               
hampers  the department's  ability to  provide services  in rural                                                               
Alaska using  telemedicine in ways  that are already  approved by                                                               
the   medical  board,   specifically  in   terms  of   controlled                                                               
substances.   For example, a physician  in the DOC often  will be                                                               
called for a prescription involving  a controlled substance for a                                                               
patient  in a  remote  DOC  facility.   The  department needs  to                                                               
retain  the  ability to  give  the  prescriptions at  a  distance                                                               
instead of  sending the inmates  to an  emergency room or  to ask                                                               
other providers  to be  available.   Secondly, the  department is                                                               
affected by the requirement on page  2 that the physician must be                                                               
physically located in the state in  order to render care over the                                                               
phone or by other means.   Those are the two primary concerns, he                                                               
said, and  he understood  the sponsor  is working  to accommodate                                                               
those. He appreciated working with the sponsor on these issues.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON acknowledged  that the committee is  working with the                                                               
sponsor and DOC on the aforementioned changes to the bill.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:24:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATE BURKHART,  Executive Director,  Alaska Mental  Health Board,                                                               
Department  of  Health and  Social  Services  (DHSS), stated  the                                                               
Alaska Mental Health  Board (AMHB) is the  state planning council                                                               
for issues  related to  mental health.   She  said the  board has                                                               
reviewed  the  bill and  appreciates  the  sponsor's support  for                                                               
telemedicine.   She  recalled earlier  testimony about  the types                                                               
and forms  of telemedicine in  the state.  The  AMHB acknowledged                                                               
that while  the bill doesn't  speak directly  to tele-psychiatry,                                                               
it  was important  to  place on  the  record how  tele-psychiatry                                                               
works and its importance to patients.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BURKHART  explained that  tele-psychiatry in  the publically-                                                               
funded  behavioral health  system  is integral  to mental  health                                                               
services.    In many  communities,  the  ability to  recruit  and                                                               
retain psychiatrists  is hampered by geography  and compensation.                                                               
She  reported  the  current vacancy  rate  for  psychiatrists  is                                                               
almost  25 percent  and many  communities  wait years  to find  a                                                               
psychiatrist.  Community behavioral  health centers and federally                                                               
qualified health centers that offer  mental health services often                                                               
contract  with psychiatrists  who are  licensed psychiatrists  in                                                               
Washington  but often  practice  in the  Pacific  Northwest.   In                                                               
addition,  psychiatrists from  the University  of Washington  and                                                               
Children's  Hospital are  frequently contracted  with to  provide                                                               
tele-psychiatry  services.   These psychiatrists  often prescribe                                                               
medications in  the course  of mental  health treatment  and some                                                               
are  controlled substances;  however,  these drugs  are not  what                                                               
this bill  intends to prevent  being diverted  into inappropriate                                                               
uses;  rather,  they  are anti-anxiety  medications  and  similar                                                               
medications that are part of an ongoing course of treatment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BURKHART   stated  that  psychiatrists   practicing  through                                                               
telemedicine  work  in   conjunction  with  community  behavioral                                                               
health  centers, where  clients present  and are  impaneled at  a                                                               
community  behavioral health  center for  mental health  services                                                               
such   as   therapy,   case    management,   life   skills,   and                                                               
rehabilitative services.   She further stated  that psychiatrists                                                               
provide  medications necessary  to stabilize  and manage  chronic                                                               
health conditions, which is part  of an ongoing relationship.  In                                                               
fact,   tele-psychiatry  is   not  used   in  acute   psychiatric                                                               
situations,  but   is  part  of  ongoing   care,  although  tele-                                                               
psychiatry is sometimes  used in those situations  in Bush Alaska                                                               
when  a psychiatric  emergency arises.   In  community behavioral                                                               
health centers,  the importance of tele-psychiatry  is to provide                                                               
ongoing  mental health  treatment.   Although the  bill does  not                                                               
speak directly to  psychiatry, the AMHB felt it  was important to                                                               
provide an overall  context of how tele-psychiatry  works and the                                                               
importance of providing this access to rural Alaskans.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:29:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR OLSON recalled a number  of people in the medical community                                                               
in the  late 1970s came  to Alaska  through the Bureau  of Indian                                                               
Affairs or the military.   He said these doctors received tuition                                                               
repayment  for each  year they  stayed in  Alaska, with  about 75                                                               
percent remaining  in the state.   He asked whether that  type of                                                               
program is currently happening.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BURKHART  replied  that issues  related  to  recruitment  of                                                               
psychiatrists that  he addresses  includes practitioners  who are                                                               
now  retiring.   She  explained that  recruiting  doctors in  the                                                               
early or  middle part of  their career  is more difficult  if the                                                               
doctors have  not had experience  in Alaska.  Some  attempts have                                                               
been made to  establish a psychiatric residency  in Alaska, since                                                               
doctors  tend  to   practice  in  a  close   proximity  of  their                                                               
residency;  however, the  board has  not been  able to  establish                                                               
that residency.   The state  has a relationship with  the Western                                                               
Washington WWAMI  program to help  with recruitment, but  part of                                                               
the issue  is the cost  of living  and conditions.   For example,                                                               
Fairbanks  has   struggled  for  years  to   recruit  and  retain                                                               
psychiatrists,  in part  because  the military  is a  competitive                                                               
employer  and  pays  a  higher  salary,  thus  the  hospital  and                                                               
community behavioral health center  and tribal providers have had                                                               
trouble competing.  In  Ketchikan, Community Connections provides                                                               
services  to people  with  developmental  disabilities and  early                                                               
childhood mental health, but also  contracts with a psychiatrists                                                               
at  Children's Hospital.   Although  the Ketchikan  community has                                                               
recently had two psychiatrists,  neither is a child psychiatrist.                                                               
She reported that all of  the psychiatrists providing services in                                                               
the publically-funded system are licensed  in the state, which is                                                               
the quality assurance mechanism.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:32:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  JOSEPHSON referred  to the  description of  tele-                                                               
psychiatry, and he recalled that  people in Alaska used providers                                                               
in Washington  State.  He  asked whether the provider  would have                                                               
licensure in Juneau.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BURKHART  stated  that   the  integrated  behavioral  health                                                               
regulations require that the client  be present at the behavioral                                                               
health  center   and  a  clinician   is  with  them   during  the                                                               
appointment,   in  part,   to  navigate   equipment  and   ensure                                                               
continuity  of   care.    The   state  will  not   reimburse  the                                                               
appointment  without this  method.   Therefore, a  client is  not                                                               
being served at home with the tele-psychiatrist appointment.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:33:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON  said that  in his region  communities have                                                               
contracted for services from someone  in Minnesota.  He asked for                                                               
the average vacancy  rate in the Lower 48 and  how it compares to                                                               
the 25-percent vacancy rate for psychiatrists in Alaska.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BURKHART  recalled  the  board had  a  presentation  on  the                                                               
vacancy rate,  and an  expected vacancy  in the  community health                                                               
system is  10 percent  and anything  over that  requires planning                                                               
efforts.    In the  health  care  industry  in Alaska,  they  are                                                               
looking at those  fields with 11 percent or  over, but psychiatry                                                               
has the highest rate.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE HERRON asked whether this is a national trend.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BURKHART   said  it  depends   on  the  community   and  the                                                               
subspecialty.   For example, geriatric psychiatry  has often been                                                               
in demand and is provided  through tele-psychiatry in Alaska, but                                                               
the practice  is robust in Florida.   She offered to  provide the                                                               
national average on vacancy rates for psychiatrists.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:35:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  OLSON,  after first  determining  no  one else  wished  to                                                               
testify, closed public testimony on HB 281.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
[HB 281 was held over.]                                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB316 Draft Proposed Amendment O.5.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB316 Opposing Documents-Letter CompPharma 3-21-2014.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB316 Supporting Documents-Letter Alaska AFL-CIO.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB316 Opposing Documents-Letter Michael Jensen 1-02-2014.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB316 Supporting Documents-Letter AMLJIA 3-01-2014.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB316 Supporting Documents-Letter Express Scripts 3-21-2014.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB316 Supporting Documents-Letter Healthcare Solutions 3-11-2014.PDF HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 316
HB336 ver N.PDF HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HL&C 4/7/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HL&C 4/7/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Fiscal Note-DCCED-ABC-03-20-14.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HL&C 4/7/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-Meyer Sponsor Statement.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HL&C 4/7/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-News Article ADN Conditional Permitting.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-Signed Postcards.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-CHARR Legislative Priorities.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-Hotch Letter.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-Letters-Assorted-Clark Middle School.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB336 Supporting Documents-Letters-Assorted-Clark Middle School2.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336
HB281 Draft Proposed Amendment U.1.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 281
HB281 Draft Proposed Amendment U.3.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 281
HB370 Fiscal Note-DOA-RM-03-21-14.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 370
HB370 Supporting Documents-Health Partners Opiate Drug Screens.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 370
HB281 Opopsing Documents-Letter State Medical Board 3-18-2014.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 281
HB336 Supportiing Documents-Fairview Business Association.pdf HL&C 3/26/2014 3:15:00 PM
HB 336